Fri 17 Aug 2007
Read Part 1 HERE.
Going back and watching Kucinich in earlier debates via YouTube, one thing I noticed was how he usually said thank-you for the question and was always very polite but firm and stern in his beliefs.
Since I published Part 1, I heard in response two distinct voices, “Thank God people are starting to get Kucinich!” and the other was “He can’t win.” Well, neither can Hillary but that doesn’t stop people from supporting her and dumping stink-loads of cash in her bank account. She is the only Democratic candidate that will motivate conservatives to come to the polls and vote AGAINST her. Obama and Edwards don’t fuel that level of hatred. And in America, that is saying a LOT about Obama. At least America is maturing on ONE issue.
There was one other minority position, but it was the most disturbing. Paraphrasing here, “We tried voting our beliefs with McGovern and you saw where that got us!” Friends, the Republicans ALWAYS vote on their beliefs and they are more successful than the Democrats. Why must progressives lower their standards? The Republicans don’t. Since I have been voting, conservatives got two terms for Reagan, one for Bush Senior and TWO for Bush Junior – the later being the WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
The fact isn’t the Dems fail because they vote their beliefs, the Dems fail because that can’t articulate what they believe in. Jesse Helms was bat-shit crazy but he constantly won and he had NO problem articulating his beliefs.
Well, this is true to a point. Dennis Kucinich always speaks his mind, directly to the point with nary a waver. You know where he stands.
My question is, do you know where YOU stand?
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August 17th, 2007 at 9:44 am
“There was one other minority position, but it was the most disturbing. Paraphrasing here, “We tried voting our beliefs with McGovern and you saw where that got us!†Friends, the Republicans ALWAYS vote on their beliefs and they are more successful than the Democrats. Why must progressives lower their standards? The Republicans don’t. Since I have been voting, conservatives got two terms for Reagan, one for Bush Senior and TWO for Bush Junior – the later being the WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY”.
Agreed. This is a perfect description of what happened to the Dems. The CENTRIST Movement — which has all but killed the Democratic Party. Somehow it has managed to survive on life support, breathing has stopped occasionally, and CPR needed to be administered. Thanks to Dennis Kucinich the Democratic party is scheduled for removal from the ICU sometime in the near future.
VoteKUCINICH 2008!
August 17th, 2007 at 10:14 am
Thanks for keeping the Kucinich revolution alive through your comic strip. There is nothing to fear from Dennis; rather, he gives us hope that there indeed is a politician not beholden to special interests, one who supports single-payer universal healthcare, one who calls for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq and means it, one who has the best interest of the people at heart.
I used to be one of those people who said, “Kucinich has my heart, but since he can’t win I guess I’ll support Edwards (or whoever).” But now I know the error of my ways. By this weekend I will have a Kucinich bumper sticker on my car, and I will do everything in my power to get people to realize that voting for Kucinich is not a waste of their vote.
I’ve already sent in my donation to the Kucinich campaign. What about you?
August 17th, 2007 at 10:48 am
Usually I stand on two feet, somewhere, but usually near something anime or gaming related…no…wait…that is me sitting.
My standing is as far from idiots as possible.
The Democrats fail for a variety of reasons. One of them is there utter lack of unity. You have the Democratic party as a single group…but the members that make up this party are varied in their beliefs, thoughts and agendas. This is not a bad thing…for diversity is good. It turns into a bad thing when someone must choose from all of this diversity one good canidate. And the problem is, that when one is chosen…the people that did not have ther canidate make it to th eballot are upset and not likely to vote for that person at all.
You don’t generally see that with the Republicans. The Republicans on the other hand are fairly unified. You ahve a lot of different canidates with their own diferences an such…but they are not so different from each other that they are unacceptable to any other Republican.
In a nutshell, Romney supporters are more likely to shift gears and are willing to vote for Guliani because although their views are different, they are not terribly so and it is a reasonable compromise. On the other hand, it seems that people that support Obama are totally unwilling to support Clinton. Their views are just too different and the compromise is unacceptable. If Clinton gets on the ticket, Obama supporters may vote for her competition or just not vote at all.
I think this is a fault of the dual-party system that we have in place. You have so many views and some folks are willing to compromise on those issues more than others. Those that are willing to compromise, buckle down under the pressure and those that do not simply refuse to partake at all. Either way…the Democrats lose.
Now, this…this Kucinich guy. He seems to intrigue me. Where can I learn about his stances and such? I have not seen any of the debates and those are a farce anyway.
August 17th, 2007 at 10:53 am
I agree, it’s the fault of our two party system. Voting my conscience and voting Democrat are almost mutually exclusive. I have to vote Green.
August 17th, 2007 at 12:07 pm
“He can’t win” implies a prescience which should impel one to the racetrack never to leave.
August 17th, 2007 at 4:10 pm
Stormbear,
When hillary wins you can owe me a bear because she will.
Bruce
August 17th, 2007 at 7:53 pm
Dennis Kucinich would make a very good president!
You can find out more here:
http://www.dennis4president.com
www2.kucinich.us
August 17th, 2007 at 8:48 pm
Please visit http://action.dennis4president.com and http://www2.kucinich.us to learn more about Dennis Kucinich’s views and the presidential campaign. Other informative websites to visit: http://www2.kucinich.us and http://www.myspace.com/denniskucinich – peace. Kucinich is the One.
August 17th, 2007 at 8:51 pm
That other website should read http://www.youtube.com/denniskucinich – thanks for the comic strip! Very funny, very true, and very cute.
August 18th, 2007 at 1:00 am
Thanks for the article. As for AnimeFreak40K, as Kucinich himself said, “Without me, there would be no debate.” Check out www2.kucinich.us (yes, the 2 is necessary) and click on issues. I urge you to watch some of his videos on YouTube, either from debates or just him speaking. At the very least, I think you’ll be quite impressed.
August 18th, 2007 at 5:46 am
Sigh. Well, at least he’s not starting a third-party run.
Save us, Al!
August 19th, 2007 at 12:38 pm
Storm Bear, did you see the Iowa Debates this morning? I wondered for a while if Kucinich was even there! Then I saw him on the end on the Left (my left) and then George S. didn’t even call on him. Heck! it was terrible. Obama and Hillary were the centers of attention.
August 19th, 2007 at 1:21 pm
Okay, Anime, here we go…you say:In a nutshell, Romney supporters are more likely to shift gears and are willing to vote for Guliani because although their views are different, they are not terribly so and it is a reasonable compromise. On the other hand, it seems that people that support Obama are totally unwilling to support Clinton. Their views are just too different and the compromise is unacceptable. If Clinton gets on the ticket, Obama supporters may vote for her competition or just not vote at all.
What Romney supporter would switch and vote for Giuliani?? Giuliani is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage. What Republican/Conservative will vote for those positions??
I will admit right now I don’t know what Democrat to vote for? I’m so mad at them for not stopping the Iraq War – you know that. I’m mad at them too because most of them are against gay marriage except Kucinich…
But if Obama dropped out of the race (god forbid!) I would vote for Hillary certainly or Richardson, or Biden, etc. I would never not vote or vote for a Republican unless he was pro-choice, pro gay marriage, pro universal health care, pro education reform, pro-immigration reform, etc.
I think we are too early in the process. Do you realize how long this campaigning process has been going on and how long we have to go? That’s why you have so may views, so may positions.
And another thing, Anime, Democrats, Progressive, Liberals in the atmosphere of today’s America are AFRAID to express what they really feel because religious fundamentalists, conservatives, conservative talk radio hosts will jump all over them.
Anime I hope you don’t mind engaging here in this great blog, we’ve done it once before and I don’t think Stormbear minds.
And I am going to look into Kucinich too…
August 19th, 2007 at 1:42 pm
after reading Part 1, i decidd i would no longer fear the kucinich revolution either. thanks for posting!
August 19th, 2007 at 6:09 pm
I have watched every debate. And in every one, you are correct, Dennis speaks the truth, without faltering or wavering.
He truly is for everything I believe in. Period. I agree with you – let’s vote our TRUTH.
I can only hope that the rest of America can also see the truth.
Austin TX
August 20th, 2007 at 9:30 am
Weee! I love this stuff Mary ^_^
Alright, I know we went around this one at least once before in the past, but the overall situation is a little different I think.
I know we discussed folks simply getting out and voting against Hilliary just because this is Hillary.
I threw out the Republicans not really paying too much attention to their names or wht they stand for or anything like that. It was pretty much an example to show unity. And oddly enough, despite Giuliani’s stances he seems to be fairly popular on the Republican side of things. The point of my statement however, is that the GoP, despite its problems, has (at least) one thing going for it: Party Unity…and good spin-doctors (I still say they learned a whole hell of a lot from Joseph Goebbels than I am comfortable with). If Giuliani gets on the Republican ticket (and it is likely he will), then the GoP will spin things so that those who did not support him would be more willing to.
However, I still feel that regardless of who is on the GoP ticket, if Hillary ends up on the Democrat ticket, slightly right leaning folks will vote for him just because he is not Hilliary.
Mary, I understand that you would never vote Republican…unless they were for certain things. However, you are not the vast majority of folks who are independant or in the middle on their beliefs. Citing yourself is a fine example and statement…but would that apply to your next door neighbor? How about the guy down the street? What about the next county (or state) over?
My statements are based pretty much off of casual observation of the Sheeple at large. And based on those observations, this is what I have come up with:
- Regardless of who gets on the GoP Presidential ticket, the canidate will be fairly accepted across the party regardless of his stance. One reason for this is the GoP spin-doctors will play up his benifits and how he is a good Republican. The goal is not to sell him to Hard-Liners. Those guys will vote Republican straight down the ticket regardless of the canidates.
- Hillary is enjoying a lot of Democrat popularity…but that is just the Democrats. She doesn’t have (and most likely will never get) the folks in the middle. She also deosn’t have all of the Democrats either. She gets on the ticket, those that are middle or would vote for [Instert Democrat here] would vote Republican or a 3rd party just because it is not Hillary (note, I am one of these people).
- While I realize that this is still early on, the stances and views really will not change too much. They can’t. Not after the fiasco of John Kerry. Once someone changes their view too far they will be viewed as a ‘waffler’ and they will be hosed.
Now, I want to state again, that these are pretty much my observations of the whole thing at large and based on my experienses in walking the land of the Sheeples. There is also the fact that I live in the DC-Metro area =/
Changing gers a little bit…yes, I know that a lot of progressives are afraid to express their thoughts for a variety of reasons. Part of this is the Fundys and those that support them. Part of it also, is the complete and utter failure of that mindset to get anywhere during the 60’s and 70’s. They built up a lot of steam but ultimatly lost cohesion and fell apart.
And you know what? Those people that are affraid to express their thoughts are a bunch of wusses who deserve to be silenced. I have NO sympathy for them at all. None. You may think that I am a little harsh, or even going Neo-Con on you…but hear me out.
If you are that affraid of a bunch of talking heads (as that is what the group of people you listed off to me are), and are completely willing to be silent and unheard because of what they may say, then you deserve it. This country was not built on or buy folks who were just willing to roll over and shut up.
If the Democrats, progressives and liberals looked at these talking heads as exactly what they are, and either ignored (or better yet – countered) them, then they would be able to get a LOT more done.
Instead, they roll over and lament about the situation. For that, they deserve nothing.
August 20th, 2007 at 6:21 pm
Just love this, Anime: “I still say they learned a whole hell of a lot from Joseph Goebbels than I am comfortable with.” Ha!
You see the Republicans as a lot more adaptable than I do. Maybe you’re right. But will Conservatives vote for Giuliani? Will Christian fundamentalists? Would they vote for Giuliani if Hillary is the Democratic nomination? I can’t see it, but you might be right.
You say:If the Democrats, progressives and liberals looked at these talking heads as exactly what they are, and either ignored (or better yet – countered) them, then they would be able to get a LOT more done. Instead, they roll over and lament about the situation. For that, they deserve nothing.
I say: I must agree with you sadly. Right now liberals and Democrats are sounding like wusses. But in the end (when it’s gets closer to primaries and election 2008) doesn’t everybody have to move to the middle in order to get elected by the majority of the people? Won’t everybody have to claim they are “moderate?” A moderate Democrat? A moderate Republican?
What exactly do you have against Hillary? Mind you I’m not sure about her myself. I’m leaning toward Obama. I’m looking into Kucinich (who can’t win but tells the truth).
Actually the 60s were the days of the Democrats if you remember…JFK, LBJ, civil rights. It was the 70s and 80s when it all fell apart. When the mindset went the way of the puffin.
August 21st, 2007 at 8:39 am
Look…hate them all you like, but the Nazis had one HELL of a propaganda machine. And if you take a look at how our government has issued its own propaganda over the years (even picking it up as of late), you will find that a lot of it is based strongly in Joseph Goebbles’ SOP.
….Why do we have to take our lessons from dictators, despots and generally the worst in mankind?
Speaking of some of the worst mankind has to offer…my issues with Hillary stem mostly from her activities as First Lady…I mean…President back when Bill Clinton was President. This was while I was still in the Army, and very proud to do so. She blasted, insulted and demeaned the Armed Forces. She encouraged policies and regulations that ptretty much worked to destroy the quality of life and generally make being a soldier harder than it already was (When the military takes budget cuts; R&D, pay and general operations do not get cut. Services such as learning facilities, recreational activities, and physical fitness facilities do). These are things she tried to do as First Lady. If she were to be president, do you really thinkg she would behave any differently?
Then there is the matter of her character. I have read plenty of first-hand accounts of how she treats people. These are from the Secret Service to Soldiers and Marines who are tasked to escort her as well as even airline attendants. She treats them very VERY poorly. She is condescending, rude and downright cruel to them. They do not put up with or do what they do because they LIKE her. No…they do it because that is their duty, but a moment of thanks, appreciationa and common courtesy goes a long way. But not for her…thanking ‘the little people’ means nothing. She could not care less about the man or woman who is there to ensure her survival…they are less than nothing to them and she makes it a point of informing them of that.
I do NOT want someone like that in charge of this country and Commander-In-Chief of my friends and commrades who are still fighting so she can live high on hog-hill. Fuck her. Fuck her to hell. I would rather have BushCo (ALL of them) for a third term before one term of Clinton. Please excuse my language…but I just cannot stand the bitch. She needs to be drug out into the street and shot and is most likely one of the most undeserving people around of her position. Period.
Ok…that is my 2 Minute Hate for Hillary…
Changing gears to something a little more positive now…I do not necessarily see as the Republicans more adapatable. At least not the voters at any rate. Those guys will think however they want to think. No matter who gets put on the ticket, there will be some grumbling regardless. The adaptable ones are the guys up top. The spin-doctors and propagandists. The advertisers and the ones trying to sell you a particular canidate. They are the ones who will shift things around to make their guy seem like the best…or at least the opponent(s) the worst.
I think it is worse than just the Democrats, Liberals, etc. sounding like utter wusses…and the fact that they ARE wusses. They seem to have no problem getting up on their little soapboxes and talking big, planning bigger and proposign wonderful grandiose ideas. However, when it comes to actually putting those into action or, more likely, when they hit the first hint of an obsticle, they crumble and cave in. They have no backbone and even less intestinal fortitude. This is worse than simply being a wuss…it is downright cowardly. If you are unwilling to stand up and/or fight for what you believe in…then obviously you do not believe in it.
Kucinich impresses me. I have watched a couple of the videos that were linked to me (Thanks for those by the way everyone!) and he seems a little different than the other Democrats…he has laid out his believes and his intents and he seems to have a plan to have those enacted. He strikes me as willing to compromise to a degree, but not buckle or submit like the others. He is at least willing to fight a bit.
The fact that he does NOT live in a gated community, and isntead lives amongst the populace. His personal history and poitical history and his agenda are positive ( good info can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kucinich ).
Now here is my question for you: Why do you think he can’t win? Folks like him end up with the ‘They can’t win’ spot because of people and comments like you. No, I am not telling you to vote for Kucinich, or that your opinons are invalid. I am simply stating that if you believe in someone, then show your support for that person…regardless of who it is. If you feel that he genuinely fits how you think a President should be…then vote for him in the primaries for your state. Do not compromise your moral obligations simply because somone else is sitting on the TV screen. Do not listen to the talking heads MaryT. They will only tell you what they want you to know anyway.
August 21st, 2007 at 11:10 am
Okay you come from a place where Hillary “was a bitch” and you would have BushCo for a 3rd term (OMG!), before Hillary in the White House. And I’ll say I am VERY sympathetic when our soldiers and Marines are not treated fairly or even more than fairly by presidential administrations. Did you ever read my post on Hillary? And the comments? Maybe you’d like too. You might get a laugh. http://workofthepoet.blogspot.com/2007/07
/wanting-to-vote-for-hillary.html
You talk about Kucinich and say:“The fact that he does NOT live in a gated community, and isntead lives amongst the populace.”
I can’t believe you said that about a gated community…People around me have been talking about moving to gated communities, friends have already moved there and are invited me and my husband to visit. I ABSOLUTELY HATE GATED COMMUNITIES. I WILL NOT EVER live in one. It’s the height of elitism… Closing the door on every one outside the gate. I live among the populace in a nice middle-class community that is open to anyone who wants to move in.
I might vote for Kucinich for that reason and that reason alone! Only joking…
Hey, Anime, I will vote for whom I want when the time comes. Don’t worry. But I can’t vote for someone who I think will lose the Democratic primary without my vote. And I have to vote for the Democrat who I think will bring down the power of the GOP and win the Presidency. Right?
August 21st, 2007 at 12:04 pm
I know wanting BushCo for a 3rd term over Hillary is one hell of an unconstitutional streach. But it is true. Despite the fact that BushCo put our fighting men and women in a deadly and pointless war, he has not cut their funding. He has not made them feel worthless. He may have made us question why we fight the war we are fighting. We may even disagree with it (and I know that most of the 4th Aviation Brigade of the First Cavalry Division did), but he did NOT condescend to us. He did not make us feel worthless or undeserving. Say what you want about Bush…but I at least got the feeling that he provided some form of respect to the fighting men and women. Even if it was just lip-service it is still more than Hillary has ever given.
I cannot forget that.
Not while I served and not since having served. I cannot support or tolerate someone who would have such a low view of the very men and women who fight, die and bleed to make sure she can continue to hold the beliefs that she does. Don’t get me wrong. My ire is not held on Hillary alone for this…Hillary just happens to have gotten my attention and is a face and name.
Anyway, I read over your blog and I got a couple of laughs…and although know that Hillary must put up an overly-strong front to hope to have any measure of success, that is acceptable. It is even admirable. In fact, I do admit a grudging respect for the woman for that alone. However, her stance against the servicemembers will always be a thorn in my side until she shows me different…and it would have to be one hell of a showing.
Why can’t you believe I said that about a Gated Community? That is something that Kucinich himself mentioned in one of his interviews. Granted he could have been blowing smoke…but that sort of thing is public information and someone could call him on it easily enough. I believe it is also on the Wikipedia link I gave before too.
As far as making your choice…I guess that is where you and I differ in views on the matter. For me to vote or support someone whom I do not think could do the better job, then that would be a violtion of my morals. I also cannot vote for someone totally based on the concept of ‘bringing down the power of the GoP’. That is ultimatly a path to failure as they are a one-trick-pony. After they break the GoP…then what? I want someone who knows how it is…who is and has been keeping it real. Who does not pander to the corporations of the lobbyists. I cannot, in good conscience vote for anyone else. Even if my canidate loses…that is fine. I can accept that. I would rather fight and lose and keep my moral integrity than fight and win and compromise my beliefs.
…Maybe this is why I don’t win many competitions…
August 22nd, 2007 at 9:54 am
“I would rather fight and lose and keep my moral integrity than fight and win and compromise my beliefs.” Hey, Anime, you’re more idealistic than I am!
Morality, shmorality when it comes to politics! Don’t we both understand how “dirty” politics is? I would compromise my beliefs to have John Edwards (who just can’t bring himself to accept gay marriage) in the White House rather than any Republican or god forbid! Conservative.
I completely understand how you feel about Hillary…forget about her…I shall not bring her up again.
Come on over to my blog to my entry about that NYPD report we can talk about whether or not it leads to racial profiling of Muslims. Okay? OR we can meet here at Dobson again. Stormbear always has such “discussion-provoking” topics.
August 22nd, 2007 at 1:32 pm
Yeah…yeah…I know about how the politic game works. I just don’t like it.
I have not considered voting since I was of age for 1 primary reason: I did not and could not support any of the canidates.
And I DID have a nice reply to the NYPD thing that you posted up, but for some reason it was not taking…or it did, and it was working differently.
I will try again though ^_^
August 24th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
I truly believe that Dennis Kucinich is the ONLY presidential candidate that will help America become the great nation it should be. The others are either
1. dangerous (the Republicans)
or 2. political beasts with no firm beliefs other than that they should be president (the Democrats)
There’s also Gravel, but since he’s basically an inarticulate Kucinich I’m not very hopeful for him.
August 25th, 2007 at 10:02 pm
Dennis Kucinich is CHANGE. If you want a President who will represent you, and stand up to corporatocracy, vote for Kucinich.